youd rather worship the devil of disobedience unwittingly and unknowingly?

Check it out if you dare and be amazed, or continue in what you want to believe. I was atheist until this year, im now 21.

Love to all, jesus our savior is coming again!

And I like how you imply that I was being deceitful because I hadn’t heard your sect’s interpretation of the Bible. Classy.

Now as for needing evil to understand love: what about the Garden of Eden? Didn’t Adam and Eve love each other before the Fall? Sure, they didn’t understand good and evil, but there wasn’t anything mentioned about them not liking each other. Hell, she was able to talk him into disobeying God, wasn’t she? Since Adam knew God personally, I imagine she must have had quite a hold on him to pull that off.

And I won’t even get into how petty and childish it is to punish all of humanity for all time because of a couple of errant bites of fruit…that He left there, without a guard, and with the foreknowledge of omniscience to warn him what would happen.

And finally, you misunderstand the atheist position. It’s not “suffering exists, therefore there is no God.” It’s “You theists have failed to provide any substantial evidence that any divine beings exist, despite thousands of years of scrutiny. In the absence of such evidence, we do not believe it reasonable to agree with your unsubstantiated claims.” The fact that suffering exists is incidental to the existence or non-existence of God. However, the prevalence of suffering does provide plenty of evidence that various religious codes are self-contradicting, and further, that if god did exist, he would undoubtedly worthy of scorn.

If love and goodness was all there was what would you compare the lack of love to? One wouldn’t RECOGNIZE love and goodness if one didn’t KNOW the opposite of love and goodness. This is a very basic philosophical concept that is in itself independent of any particular religion.

God made humans to have a free will. That many humans choose to act upon their thirst for power and supremacy by using violence is not an act of god but an extreme abuse of their unique human traits.

If there was no freedom, I’m sure atheists like yourself would be endlessly complaining about lack of mental freedom but then again, you wouldn’t have the freedom of mind to do so…

Anyway, what’s interesting to see is how atheists fall time and time again into extreme simplistic emotionalism when explaining why they’re atheists: ‘why does god allow suffering? humans suffer therefor there must be no god! arrrgh’ And it’s also interesting to see how they base much if not all of their atheism on their hatred of religions that they arrogantly think they know about but in reality many atheists haven’t even scratched the surface of any theological philosophical view.

Hell, given the apparent psychological benefits of having a religion(besides the ideas of reference and delusions of persecution present in some religious systems I could name but won’t) I’d even consider becoming a Pagan. All in all, good company anyway.

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